this accomplish?
the situation which surround the soul.
change with each life, therefore how does this allow.
Glander said:
I avoid killing spiders because they help reduce mosquitos, etc. It has never crossed my mind that they might have been a human being in the past.
Uh-oh..... Don't look now, but I think someone just guaranteed themselves they're going to be reincarnated as a spider in the next go-around....
so here's the latest in my pathetic saga.
i've tried to fly under the radar for the past year, but it isn't working so well.
i've learned not to engage my wife in debates but rather to ask questions.
yknot said:
Outsmart....
As a Sister.... I start to hear menfolk talk 607 and my eyes roll back in my head.....
Pick a different subject.....one that is 'Sister friendly'
Really we don't care about 607 as a gender (well majority of us)
Yup, the quibbling about technical inaccuracies and miscalculations is compelling only to the engineering types who have pocket protectors and protractors.
Instead, you'd be better off focusing on issues of the heart, the policies that are cruel, harmful, the missed dates of Doomsday (1914, 1975: not HOW they arrived at them, but the FACT they failed) etc, new light, etc.
The thesis approach is not going to convince Bethel (they already know it's ALL BS: they probably get 100's of such letters each day!) or her (as stated above). Remember who you're trying to convince here, your wife, and your wife alone.
jehovah's witnesses refute!
nederlandse versie.
"the heart of the righteous one.
Cedars said:
I love this little gem on the home page:
Facts found on this site do not (always) reflect the official view of the Society.
Heh, that's more self-incriminating than he probably intended, for if the Society's "facts" differ from those found on his site, then someone's "facts" must be wrong. With that statement, is he actually admitting to being an apostate, relying on not just his own interpretations, but using his own "facts"?
It's like the old saying, "while people are entitled to their own opinions, they're NOT entitled to their own facts". Seems he wouldn't agree with that statement....
it struck me, as i guess it has a lot of people, that there are so many threads from both americans and the rest of us that seem to descend into america bashing.
i thought it might be quite nice to have a thread solely (and i mean solely - if this just turns negative i will call foul) on what we think is great about america.
as a brit who has lived and been over a number of times there are many parts about america that i think are great and thought is would be healthy to have a positive thread for a change.. so a starter for ten (with a few gross generalisations thrown in):.
Without doubt, the BEST thing about America, bar none, is our Constitution/Bill of Rights/Declaration of Independence, documents upon which all of our citizen's freedoms are based: freedom of speech, religion, assembly, right to peaceable protest, right to bear arms, separation of church and state, etc. While they're not necessarily unique documents, they were revolutionary at the time they were written by offering an alternative to other forms of government that inextricably combined religion with government.
That said, the movement to erode those rights by modern-day McCarthyists and Xian fundamentalists (e.g. types like Bachmann) is disturbing to me, as they would have us move toward's their extremist beliefs.
Despite what they may say, we're NOT a "Xian Nation", and the thought was abhorred by the Founding Fathers enough to motivate puttingrestrictions in place to prevent one religious group from seizing the reins of power.
this accomplish?
the situation which surround the soul.
change with each life, therefore how does this allow.
Gladiator said:
Hold on! Kingdom halls are full of people like that. In fact Jehovah's Witnesses are one of the few religions who claim they do not have souls.
Really? Are you serious? I didn't know that (and I've been away from the JWs for about 30 yrs).
Interesting though, since the OT is literally peppered with the Hebrew words 'ruah' and 'nephesh', variously translated as 'life-force', 'spirit', 'soul', etc. They believe in Holy Spirit, also believe in God-Inspired, but not other types of souls/spirits?
They believe in supernatural demons which can possess humans, animals, etc, but they don't believe in human souls? In fact, the whole reason blood is prohibited eats for JWs is based on the idea of the nephesh being associated with, found in, the blood. Supposedly the nephesh must be liberated after killing the animal, as atonement for the sin of murdering the animal. That's why strangled animals are prohibited as food: the nephesh gets tangled up inside the flesh, and can't be liberated without a pulsing heart-beat of the animal causing it to bleed to death.
I guess if I was more interested in JW doctrine I'd research their disbelief in a soul, but frankly, the whole idea of soul/spirit is so goofy, with not even a shred of scientific evidence to support it, it's kind of a waste of time unless done for entertainment purposes (or arguably as a pseudo-stimulus for doing good things, ie the whole karma thing).
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/26/florida-man-kills-door-to-door-salesman-i%e2%80%99ll-kill-anybody-that-steps-on-my-property/.
florida man kills door-to-door salesman: ill kill anybody that steps on my propertya man in cape coral, florida on wednesday was arrested for shooting and killing an unarmed door-to-door salesman on his property.. kenneth bailey roop, 52, has been charged with second-degree murder for killing 30-year-old nicholas rainey.. a co-worker who witnessed the shooting said rainey had knocked on roops door, but received no answer.
while rainey was walking down the drive-way, roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why rainey was at his house.
Who does Roop think he is? George Zimmerman?
144001 said:
If it had been a JW or JWs at the door, the invisible angels at their side would have been visible to Roop, and he would have refrained from pulling his gun out.
OR, Roop would've felt legitimately threatened by the two HUGE muscular angels that were trespassing on his property, blasted them first, and THEN killed the JWs. :)
http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/music/164532846.html?refer=y.
dont think the jw's will think too well of this!.
Jim said:
But wait a minute... aren't Birthdays always associated with deaths? I think that she is okay then. Let her celebrate MJ's birthday, cause it's in the bible - always associated with deaths. Yuppers... she may have found a loophole in the JW-logic.
I thought you had something then, but after thinking about it, I now have doubts. See, JWs think celebrating birthdays CAUSE death: deaths don't CAUSE one to celebrate birthdays (that is, unless you obtain an "exception to policy" waiver first, which Katherine apparently has done).
Wasblind said:
And if one can't be provided, then " Beat it "
Maybe MJ was providing a subliminal message from the Bible, preaching the good news of disciplining slaves? :)
ok....i am trying to go inactive to fade.
however all my family is in, except for one relative.
i cannot move away.
Sophie said:
Although I will continue to stress that one family member who has faded is still in good standing with the entire family...AND sadi family member has gently been explaining why they made the choice to leave...
Well, that's a good sign: it means they DO recognize boundaries for the power the WT can exert on their lives. There is a ray of hope...
You might consider if you'd be more effective staying on the inside (as an undercover 'mole', if you will), so as to subtly exert influence to facilitate a mass migration? Because as you know, once you "out" yourself, then you carry less influence in their eyes. The shields will go up, or at least they'll look at you with a wearier eye that normal...
PS maybe you could keep track of the time you spend apostylitizing, or maybe even consider becoming a special apostylitizoneer? ;)
jehovah's witnesses refute!
nederlandse versie.
"the heart of the righteous one.
Undercover said:
This poor soul... doesn't he know that the Watchtower Society does not approve of independant JW sites that support or defend the WTS? Only authorized WT sites are used for that purpose.
I'm wondering if they don't engage in an updated version of a technique they used in the past, paying a JW author to write a favorable book about the history and teachings of the JW under an alias, then using a secular printing company so it appears to be independent.
There's some people posting pro-JW videos on YouTube, and I've had mildly criticial comments (that were polite, but factual) deleted. It wouldn't surprise me the JWs used such undercover techniques, of using "independent" marketing firms to spread their message via the internet to stir up interest.
ok....i am trying to go inactive to fade.
however all my family is in, except for one relative.
i cannot move away.
00DAD said:
This is one of the most evil things about WT/JWs: they hold you hostage with your family and friends!
It also reveals their hypocrisy:
Just a heads-up as to what that sentence is actually saying (BTW, they're not being hypocritical, if you read it carefully). It's not "new light", a softening in shunning policies, etc. It's actually a prime example of Society's use of "weasel words".
The statement says that no INDIVIDUAL is forced to become or remain a JW against their will, and that part IS true. The individual doesn't HAVE to choose between their religion and their family, because the individual (usually) won't be shunning the family.
HOWEVER, what it DOESN'T say is that the FAMILY must respect YOUR decision to leave, and should not shun YOU. It doesn't say that, because we all know they DO have a standing obligation to NOT respect your decision to leave, and in fact they most likely WILL shun you (or else they'll be subjected to being DFed, themselves).
Off the top of my head, I can think of no clearer example of how JWs speak with a forked-tongue, trying to appear compassionate based on telling half-truths while still delivering their poisonous, toxic message. This one sentence clearly reveals their roots as lawyers, being a cult based on legalistic concepts. Anyone who has read Orwell's 1984 should easily see the duplicitous use of language to sugar-coat a message.
I'm reminded of the adjective used to describe the serpent in the Garden of Eden story: 'cunning'. Do you want to support a religious organization that feels compelled to treat you as a child, a fool?
